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Who Decides What is Modest?


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I've been told that part of being an observant Jewish woman means dressing modestly. I'm very confused, however, about the standards of modesty and how they come to be established. I don't see much in the Torah about this. What does dressing modestly mean?

Answer:

Here is a rundown of how women's modest dress is determined. There are three categories of guidelines regarding dress: dat Moshe, dat Yehudit, and minhag hamakom.

Dat Moshe means "the law of Moses," and it refers to guidelines directly from the Torah. The only aspect of modesty that fits in this category is that a married woman must cover her hair. We derive this from Numbers 5:18, where the text implies that, for a married woman, uncovered hair is a disgrace. Since it is mentioned in Torah, it becomes permanently institutionalized, i.e. not subject to change. Even if all married Jewish women in the world would go about with their hair uncovered, this rule stays the same.

Dat Yehudit, "the law of the Jewish woman," is fascinating. It refers to the accepted standard of modest dress in the Jewish community. Standards adopted by observant Jewish women assume the status of law. What's unique about this is that no other commandment is so dependent on human decisions. G‑d doesn't say, "Just rely on your innate sense of kosher and you'll be fine." But that's exactly what He tells us about modesty. "I created woman with an innate sense of modesty and I know I can rely on you to express that in your dress and demeanor."

Unlike dat Moshe, some aspects of dat Yehudit vary by place and era. The accepted codes in Spain of 1,000 years ago and Poland 600 years ago are different from each other, and different from now. Even today, you'll find differences between different places. Nevertheless, certain basic rules never change, and it seems those explicitly mentioned in the Talmud are among them. For example, a woman who gets into personal conversations with any man she meets in the shopping mall, or one who speaks to her husband about intimate matters so loudly that the neighbors can hear. The Talmud also mentions other examples, such as uncovering the thigh.

On the other hand, there are certain aspects that are not spelled out in any of the earlier sources, things that just never needed to be said—until our day and age. For most of our history, it seems, it was enough to say, "Dress and act as good Jewish women do." Women just knew.

That brings us to minhag hamakom, "the custom of the local place." If you live in an area where all observant Jewish women adhere to a certain standard or rule of dress, you need to follow along. It's disrespectful to the community, as well as immodestly conspicuous, to openly depart from the norm. Few places today are so homogeneous with regard to dress, but should you happen to find yourself in one, be respectful of their codes. Keep in mind, however, that minhag hamakom only works to raise standards, not to lower them. If you come to a place where all the women are unfortunately lax about standard dat Yehudit, it's up to you to set an example and blaze a pathway to get that community back in shape.

This all has very practical applications. For some of those applications, along with a broader perspective on modesty and its preservation of female dignity, I would suggest that you begin here.

Mrs. Malkie Janowski


Source:
Tractate Brachot 24a; Tractate Ketubot 72a; Rambam, Hilchot Ishut, 24:12; see explanation of dat Yehudit in Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 115; regarding minhag hamakom, see Tractate Pesachim 50a.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2010
to Raziela
well said! (and i'm a male)
Posted By iz, ktz

Posted: Aug 27, 2010
swimming
unfortunately where i live there are no separate swimming areas. I asked my rabbi and he said its fine to swim in baggies down to knees and wear a wetsuit top or too swim in wetsuit. I would prefer separate hours but here in my city no cigar. Another girl wrote to me saying her rabbi told her its ok to hike in baggie trousers. so yes it does compromise modesty but it allows for safety, practicality and health. I really feel modesty is the whole package, the way you speak, behave, dress, pray etc. being feminine is key. i like modesty , I really don't want men coming over to talk to me based on my body or body language and I really don't wish to see half naked men and woman. its distracting, it places the emphasis on all the wrong stuff, it takes too much energy trying to always look perfect etc etc. I say be healthy, look pleasant and save your energy for the important stuff like Torah mitzvot and building a strong character and fulfilling your potential
Posted By Raziela

Posted: Aug 26, 2010
Swimming
There are many beaches and pools that offer separate swim hours (or areas) for men and women... So you can go swimming wearing regular bathing suits.
Posted By just someone



 


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